thing to say. >> you realized afterwards. >> it sounded defensive. this is an issue. there's nothing wrong with disagreeing with somebody. there is something wrong with being offensive. >> that's my point about it. i think i have complete respect, having been brought up a catholic, many catholics are anti-contraception, anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage. i have got no problem with respecting their views. the moment i start hearing the kind of rhetoric that kirk cameron, the "growing pains" star came out with on the show, gay lifestyle being the abomination of the world, i get very angry because i think, i'm not gay, but if i'm gay and listening to this, i'm thinking who the hell are you to tell me i'm the abomination of the world. people would look at you as one of the great -- you're voted one of the most influential men in the world for your teaching and books. they look at you for guidance in a time when america in particular is going through an incredibly fast change in attitude to many things. what are you going to do in your gilded ivory tower, responsibility of influence as you